tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post5573195338401953777..comments2024-03-28T03:10:19.013-07:00Comments on Fraggmented: Why Zombie Fans Hate Fast ZombiesJohn Seaveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07530526320973807452noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-36588255978385445632020-01-02T10:46:16.451-08:002020-01-02T10:46:16.451-08:00There is a reason why I call fast zombies z Zoombi...There is a reason why I call fast zombies z Zoombies. I want creeping, un escapable dread,NOT a nat geo take on zm zombies. Practically all zoombies are essentially hungry wild animal stand ins. Every cheetah zombie will make animal, usually wild cat like noises. It is fucking stupid. The whole point of zombie films are a critique of human inability to work together. While the zombie itself is creepy, the real despair comes from the fact the world and civilisation has permanenrly changed. One wil never sleep, eat or live life in any real safety. The dread is meant to be more abstract and mental instead of ADD visceral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-42633386377149774252019-04-14T01:09:17.538-07:002019-04-14T01:09:17.538-07:00To simplify- fast zombies are a directors cheat. A...To simplify- fast zombies are a directors cheat. Almost all action in modern filmaking is created by rapid editing together of half-second cuts, eliminating the need for any coherent choreography of the action. Great for exciting the average mindless action fan, but leaving the brighter among us wondering what the F we are actually looking at.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553040837329558653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-36366412668039508222019-04-14T00:48:50.011-07:002019-04-14T00:48:50.011-07:00I hate fast zombies(especially fast and smart zomb...I hate fast zombies(especially fast and smart zombies) because they are only defeatable by writing their defeat into the scripts. Fast zombies are just an example of how all action in modern movies etc. is amped up to the point of absurdity. Modern audiences are moronic and just want more and more action, and to hell with coherent storytelling. "Gotta juice it up" is the motto of the modern director. Like with the movie Independence Day". The aliens are overwhelmingly powerful, destroying cities with a single shot- thats to excite the audience with the effects. Earth could never have won- except we did. But only because they wrote in an absurd almost magical ending.<br /> Its all about creating brainless incoherent stories, which sell, as long as the action is cranked to the max. It started with the fast cutting of the MTV rock video era, and the end us nowhere in sight.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553040837329558653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-26574696681837976562013-09-12T10:15:36.293-07:002013-09-12T10:15:36.293-07:00I like both fast and slow zombies. The fast paced ...I like both fast and slow zombies. The fast paced zombies also represent how our humanity and interest in being full social creatures in close communities is being quickly replaced at a speedy rate. We are all overall more disconnected from our fellow man, with shiny rectangular lights making us all gaze stupidly. The man / woman who doesn't buy into the explosion of tech is the lone survivor in a sea of sub-humans , all looking at what their little screens are doing.<br /><br />Www.WhitehawkStudios.webs.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-16924041614554280952012-11-11T23:18:32.598-08:002012-11-11T23:18:32.598-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.infinite_cognizancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585370102997449076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-63231932513145617222011-05-29T23:12:23.130-07:002011-05-29T23:12:23.130-07:00I'll be quite frank about this: I despise zomb...I'll be quite frank about this: I despise zombie fans far more than I'd despise any zombies. I keep hearing authors on fora like the Home Page Of The Dead whining that the zombie genre is dying. Well, big surprise; of bloody <i>course</i> it's dying and the fault is that of the idiot fanboy club. They want pap fed to them, are utterly unable and unwilling to use what passes for their imagination, and are almost without exception immature males with a serious case of masculinity doubts sublimated into gun worship. They are more brain dead than the zombies they want to hunt down.<br /><br />I'm a writer of stories in numerous genres. The thing about the zombie genre is that it's the only one where I write only because I despise my readership. I write SF for discerning and intelligent people; the same for general fiction and other horror fiction. But where zombies are concerned my only desire is to send up the genre for all it's worth and to mercilessly mock the fanboy brigade, for whom my contempt is unfathomable.Bill the Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08436195659154078021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-10019543197232329572010-12-01T09:51:17.493-08:002010-12-01T09:51:17.493-08:00While you certainly make an excellent point, one o...While you certainly make an excellent point, one of my own personal reasons for not being a huge fan of fast zombies is much more straight-forward:<br /><br />Suspension of disbelief.<br /><br />Fast zombies are silly, and I don't mean they're "less realistic" because ultimately how do we know what a realistic animated corpse would look like? I mean that a fast zombie tends to look like exactly what it is--a human wearing make-up.<br /><br />The same can be said of traditional zombies, of course, and indeed either one can be undone by sloppy make-up or a bad actor. But there's something fundamentally alien about the shambling, moaning zombies that move inexorably toward you even as you easily out-maneuver them. A sprinting, snarling zombie tends to look like just a pissed-off human being.<br /><br />That works fine for something like <b>28 Days Later</b> where they're not <i>really</i> dead, or <b>Return of the Living Dead</b> where the zombies retain an alarming amount of their humanity. But when your zombies are just the standard model--but <i>fast</i>!--it somehow doesn't work as well.The Mud Puppyhttp://mudpuppy83.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-75194077101630371692010-09-28T07:29:47.594-07:002010-09-28T07:29:47.594-07:00haha, that second to last paragraph summarizes the...haha, that second to last paragraph summarizes the <i>Shaun of the Dead</i> parody perfectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-82429105885331600042010-09-22T10:56:04.623-07:002010-09-22T10:56:04.623-07:00This was always something that bothered me about Z...This was always something that bothered me about Zombies, the fact that the victims in horror flicks are always less capable than you'd expect an average person to be. They can't run without tripping, they can't cooperate, they can't hop over a wall or lob a rock at the zombies, and they never seem to think to try kicking! What, is nobody in the world trained in martial arts in zombie film land?...it's ridiculous! <br /><br />The other thing is always the question of why are there so many? If you consider that it takes about 8 years for a body to decompose, meaning that you'd only have zombies from the non-cremated dead of the past 8 years. Considering that most people die in their 70s or over, the zombies would largely be fairly weak without much muscle mass. A determined taskforce of healthy adults dressed in leather jackets and helmets armed with gardening implements could take down their town's zombie infestation, and that's without the army getting involved!<br /><br />I guess in order to make the 'average joe' protagonist look impressive, you have to suspend disbelief that in reality an average person is average and there are plenty of people far more capable mentally and physically who'd realistically cope better. As you said, it's about making the average person who projects themself into that role feel good.Kate Holdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239736467728498841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-72463078344016811122010-09-21T13:09:43.231-07:002010-09-21T13:09:43.231-07:00I think you've hit the nail on the head. Ther...I think you've hit the nail on the head. There's a basic difference in the kinds of horror presented by the two kinds of zombies. Slow zombies represent inevitably creeping death which, despite being easy to dodge in the short term, will always eventually overtake you. On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero. Fast zombies on the other hand represent immediate, adrenaline-filled, fight-or-flight danger. They are designed to elicit a different fear response in the viewer.<br /><br />People who complain about the purity of the genre are really complaining that it can't be limited to just one kind of horror. It's too bad, though, because there is definitely room for both. For example, take the movie Terminator. Obviously it's a robot, not a zombie, but it's a soulless, animated monster bent solely on killing the protagonist. It exhibits both aspects of slow, creeping terror and inhumanly fast, violent action. Obviously the Terminator movies go a very different way than zombie movies generally go, being rooted in sci-fi instead of horror, but you could conceivably make a zombie movie with a similar plotline.<br /><br />You know, one where zombie Schwarzenegger learns the value of human life while protecting Linda Hamilton's brains from a terrifying, and hungry, liquid-metal zombie from the future.j$noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-51434246712784926002010-09-16T19:11:57.454-07:002010-09-16T19:11:57.454-07:00I agree with you...but I think you're missing ...I agree with you...but I think you're missing that fast zombies can have their symbolism too. Let me put it this way: I think there is absolutely no coincidence at all to the fact that the big rise in "fast zombie" narratives came after 9/11.<br /><br />If we're to take it that the zombie is a symbolic representation of death--and I agree with that thesis 100%--then the fast zombie is the symbolism of unexpected, sudden death. It's the nasty, unpleasant surprise we didn't see coming, the sudden shock of turning on the TV and seeing an airplane crash into a national landmark. It's that terrifying feeling that the world stopped making sense before we even had a chance to process that it stopped making sense, and events are moving faster than we can keep up with. Fast zombie stories are 9/11 stories.<br /><br />(Annoying auto-biographical connection: I was working graveshift, and was actually asleep on 9/11 when the towers collapsed. I woke up, still groggy, to an all-music station that wasn't playing music, and even before I registered what they were saying, I knew it was a disaster. When I saw the "Dawn of the Dead" remake, with the opening where Sarah Polley's character wakes up and finds out the hard way that the dead have been rising for several hours, I had a tangible flashback to that day.)John Seaveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07530526320973807452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-13295388152864536372010-09-16T13:35:24.216-07:002010-09-16T13:35:24.216-07:00^^^
"...horror and their suprises"...
A...^^^<br />"...horror and <b>their</b> suprises"...<br /><br />Agh.<br /><br />And for that matter, <br />"...<b>its</b> surprises..."Alegrettonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-18412997936339631732010-09-16T13:31:52.030-07:002010-09-16T13:31:52.030-07:00While i see where you're coming from, and i la...While i see where you're coming from, and i largely agree on the dynamics of the intrinsic aspirationalism that's invariably present in most zombie stories, i personally believe that the biggest reason fast-zombies suck is the same reason shiny, not-really-threatening, actually-very-sweet-guys-inside-who-just-want-somebody-to-love "Vampires" suck: It defeats the purpose and symbolism behind the monster, so it's not that monster anymore (yet gets called that).<br /><br />Monsters are concepts, stand-ins for "dark aspects" of humanity we try to deny. Vampires are sexual temptation and eroticism, Werewolves are savagery and unrestrained impulses. Zombies, as i see it, are simply being dead and the death we all run away from. It's slow, its predictable, we always know its coming, its even obvious or silly, but it will always get us in the end. Either by our own carelessness (say, we cross the street without looking, or alternatively, we forget to check the broom closet when we clear that last room) or inability to work with others, or even by the simple fact that we're all mortal beings, we <i>will</i> join the ranks of the dead eventually, walking or otherwise.<br /><br />A fast zombie is not death. It's a rabid animal like any other and has no significance other than the obvious threat it represents (Not to mention they are less suited for horror and they're surprises and more suited for action/adventure and they're fast paced gunfights).<br />Slow, stupid zombies may not be as threatening in an obvious kind of way but are far more relevant to any narrative that's trying to do something worth people's time.Alegrettonoreply@blogger.com