tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post5358370353001237803..comments2024-03-28T03:10:19.013-07:00Comments on Fraggmented: Is Amy Pond Sexist?John Seaveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07530526320973807452noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-33558383102374552342021-02-06T03:02:43.204-08:002021-02-06T03:02:43.204-08:00I don't think anybody is annoyed with Amy beca...I don't think anybody is annoyed with Amy because of her promiscuity. In my circle of friends (those that watch Doctor Who), Amy's judged because she was engaged and tried to get the doctor to sleep with her, and because minutes after she got married she asked the doctor to kiss her in a very erotic and desperate tone.<br /><br />Author, I think you have missed the point. I also believe you are trying to make excuses without looking at the main criticism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-49164190837429105122014-05-17T17:42:36.912-07:002014-05-17T17:42:36.912-07:00she's sexist in that women "need" to...she's sexist in that women "need" to "do something" or else they're demonized as weak, worthless characters. Passivity is not a bad thing, and shame on anyone who shames a woman for that if she is unable to help herself.<br /><br />but really, it's Mary Sue River who is the absolute worst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-37873043695513250632013-03-31T17:03:52.329-07:002013-03-31T17:03:52.329-07:00I think you missed the point. I like Amy, but I ha...I think you missed the point. I like Amy, but I hate the way Moffat writes her. Trust me, her sexuality is one of my favorite things about her and I'm one of the people who say it's a sexist character. But then again, I just started watching and finished the first season with Amy Pond, but I'll see where it goes. So far, I'm not very fond of the fact that Amy is not as helpful as, let's say, Donna. Or any of the last companions. And that's not Amy's fault, it's the <i>writer's</i>. She's always being bossed around by the Doctor to just sit and wait. It's like we're back in the 60's where women can't get involved in the storylines and help (and not just "HEY I PAUSED THE SCREEN" kind of help), they just have to wait for the hero to do it. I like Amy, she's sassy, sexy, and a sweetheart. But the way the Moffat <i>treats</i> her is sexist. So if anyone actually hates Amy Pond because of that, then they're probably missing the point too.Dexterizednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-74819581623212962262012-09-08T10:54:19.163-07:002012-09-08T10:54:19.163-07:00I think another reason why she is unjustly hated i...I think another reason why she is unjustly hated is that she's a fully-formed, 3-dimensional charcter with flaws. Yes, she has been kind of mean to Rory. Yes, she can be a bit selfish. However, these aren't lasting flaws - she grows throughout, yet doesn't become 'perfect'. She's Amy Pond. So get over it, haters!<br />Also, the fact that she is almost universally loved by pre-pubescent kids is proof that the hate is sexually-driven. If there are a certain amount of people that find someone beautiful, then it's likely there are an equal amount that hate her because of that beauty. The same with brains, physical strength, etc.Aaron Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624319603223557893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-43734625361664319672012-06-21T07:39:22.714-07:002012-06-21T07:39:22.714-07:00@ JimS, I think the idea that all these women will...@ JimS, I think the idea that all these women will wait for the doctor is not a sign that the women are weak or flawed, but that the Doctor is that compelling. Can you imagine what it would feel like to meet an amazing being not of this world, who does amazing and exciting things, and who of all people on this world has picked you to go with him? I mean, it would make you feel really special. <br /><br />It's been shown time and time again in Moffat's handling that the Doctor inspires extreme loyalty and love from almost every human he spends time with. I take Amy's eagerness to have sex with the Doctor on her wedding night as that Doctor effect amplified. She finds him exciting and irresistible, and apparently very attractive, and she has waited for him for most of her life. It's like a dream or fantasy come true for her, I don't fault Amy's character for initiating romantic contact with the Doctor. He has that effect on humans. He did it Rose, he did it to Martha, and he did it to Amy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-70020039970000053842012-04-09T10:38:43.405-07:002012-04-09T10:38:43.405-07:00I guess my problem with Moffet women in Doctor Who...I guess my problem with Moffet women in Doctor Who is that they are women who wait. From Madame Pompadeur to Sally Sparrow to River Song to Amy.<br /><br />The pattern is the Doctor pops in and meets a person and through timey-wimey shenanagins pops up through out the woman's life. This woman waits for the doctor. Her life is defined by waiting for the Doctor. Sally Sparrow doesn't quite fit this mold exactly, but there are strong elements of it in her story.<br /><br />And yes, wanting to bang someone who isn't your fiance on the night before your wedding is not a nice thing. Just almost getting killed is no excuse. Want sex, hit the hubby to be. Shouldn't be hard to get him to say yes.<br /><br />For that matter, Rory becomes the man who waits, in this case 2,000 years for Amy.Jim Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-61187005761951210002012-04-05T08:40:10.666-07:002012-04-05T08:40:10.666-07:00By all means, get to River Song.By all means, get to River Song.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12555754666136648223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-51174086590098961232012-04-04T23:15:21.090-07:002012-04-04T23:15:21.090-07:00@Dougie: The kids don't even notice these thin...@Dougie: The kids don't even notice these things. Our six-year-old thinks Amy is smart and tough and loves Rory. She doesn't even notice the sexual elements. Also, the sex isn't OK but the violence is? <a href="http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/2010/04/surprise-cute-kid-story.html" rel="nofollow">She has STRONG opinions on that.</a><br /><br />As to the "hardly admirable" moment: She almost just died. People do weird things in those moments. We haven't even established that she and Rory are monogamous, really.DeeBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04732465673981737935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-14504580818982439742012-04-04T22:24:52.996-07:002012-04-04T22:24:52.996-07:00"Have fun with your genitals" is of cour..."Have fun with your genitals" is of course a highly appropriate message for the five-year-old audience of Dr. Who Adventures.Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-1485831558941916922012-04-04T15:11:35.349-07:002012-04-04T15:11:35.349-07:00Thank you, John. You and MGK are giving me faith t...Thank you, John. You and MGK are giving me faith that not every man on Earth is thinking and saying things that make me embarrassed to have a Y chromosome.<br /><br />I think the real problem with modern Doctor Who is that it's become popular with people who it's not pandering to. The characters have sides to their personalities and relationships that aren't exhaustively explained every five seconds, so you get people with limited comprehension falling back on tropes: she wears a mini-skirt, so she's a slut; she didn't consider her wedding to be the most important day of her life, so her marriage is a sham; she gets in trouble in a dangerous life, so she's a helpless victim; she doesn't have that Y chromosome, so she can't possibly <i>matter</i>.<br /><br />Also: Jacob. Don't make me come over there and <i>ad hominem</i> you. That guy was an idiot. Thank god he's gone.Eric TF Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17877525364475334374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15742539.post-3477008996230020662012-04-04T13:55:15.701-07:002012-04-04T13:55:15.701-07:00I've been re-watching the first Matt Smith ser...I've been re-watching the first Matt Smith series this week. She's quite keen to betray her fiancé with the Doctor on her wedding night. Beyond the character's "feistiness", which I read as petulance and self-absorption, this is Amy Pond's defining moment and it's hardly admirable. I'll be relieved when "The Ponds" are gone and I don't have to put on subtitles to clarify Karen Gillan's poor diction.Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.com